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evening all
Ewen
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MaJiKman
18:42:11
evening Ewen
Mullerbiker
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Mullerbiker
18:43:34
Morning Sheders
MaJiKman
18:44:24
Hi Steve how was the curry
Mullerbiker
18:44:52
Its was great and Ewen on chips and Chicken kebab
Mullerbiker
18:45:02
Not so good
MaJiKman
18:45:20
Still in office with only dry toast left
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Mullerbiker_
18:53:31
Honey Im home
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MaJiKman
18:54:02
oh no its the mad axe man at the door
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Ian_
18:57:10
Evening all
richarddummer
18:57:41
hello all
DeepPan
18:57:41
is the stream running ok?
MaJiKman
18:57:50
evening all
MaJiKman
18:57:59
Not at my end
Ian_
18:58:04
No stream here
campionuk
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Ewen
18:58:15
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richarddummer
18:58:40
none in Kentucky
Mullerbiker
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MaJiKman
18:59:08
was watching an old Drone show
campionuk
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richarddummer
18:59:43
I might need to tighten the string on my cans
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MaJiKman
19:01:03
Wow i should upgrade these old flags have almost had it
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MaJiKman
19:03:28
I'm planning to drive across the USA later this year have to put Kentucky on the map
richarddummer
19:03:54
anyone getting video yet
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19:04:27
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richarddummer
19:04:40
@MaJiKman where are you going
campionuk
19:05:01
Ewen's having some connectivity issues at the mo.. he's in the process of rebooting everything so don't be going anywhere folks
MaJiKman
19:05:22
fly into west coast, buy car, drive to east coast, fly home
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richarddummer
19:07:50
cool let me know if you come this way.
Ian_
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MaJiKman
19:08:55
it might be really cool to see saw back and fiorth between BTN friends
Mullerbiker
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Ewen
19:09:20
Evening. Sorted
DeepPan
19:09:28
Evening all
richarddummer
19:09:30
That would be very cool
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MaJiKman
19:10:28
haven't had a holiday in 8 years so gonna go big time this year
campionuk
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MaJiKman
19:11:04
Making my way round to NZ to see friends and then back
richarddummer
19:11:07
sounds like a lot of fun
campionuk
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MaJiKman
19:11:25
I intend it to bee
Mullerbiker
19:11:55
Standby live feed hopefully soon
richarddummer
19:11:56
Wow how much time are you taking
MaJiKman
19:12:29
form August to Feb
Ian_
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Ian_
19:12:48
Still no stream?
DocRock
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Mullerbiker
19:13:05
Hold on…. issues
Ian_
19:13:24
Not enough malt?
DocRock
19:13:28
I've been banished from the shire :/
DocRock
19:13:39
On hold like Time Warner Cable Support
MaJiKman
19:13:42
Has yesterdays debate fried everything?
Mullerbiker
19:13:43
Yeah
richarddummer
19:13:50
now thats a holiday
Mullerbiker
19:14:06
DocRock Line 2
Horse
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DocRock
19:14:22
I'm stuck on hold and Ewen is eating?
MaJiKman
19:14:22
Back intime to celebrate big 6-0
DocRock
19:14:28
Mullerbiker I'm on lie 2
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Mullerbiker
19:14:39
And I had a nice Kismet :)
Ian_
19:15:02
Ewen looks over dressed 😂
campionuk
19:15:15
skypes stuck at connecting for me... i'm peddling as fast as I can but it aint connecting yet...
Mullerbiker
19:15:22
Try dialing numpty
Ewen
19:15:59
No worries Camps
DeepPan
19:16:01
The doctor is in! :D
Horse
19:16:23
Evening all
Mullerbiker
19:16:35
Horse why the long face?
DeepPan
19:16:47
Don’t mention it! I did once, but I think I got away with it
campionuk
19:17:11
I'm rebooting...
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Horse
19:17:20
Broke my new headphones… repaired ok
Mullerbiker
19:17:39
Were you horseing about with them
campionuk
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Ian_
19:18:41
If only there was something to talk about this week 😂
MaJiKman
19:18:45
That bottle was full a short time ago!!
Horse
19:18:56
@Mullerbiker now dont start
Mullerbiker
19:19:16
MaJikman and it will be empty very soon
richarddummer
19:19:22
you got me by a couple
richarddummer
19:19:40
I have video
MaJiKman
19:19:48
I'm stuck on coffee till later
Mullerbiker
19:19:56
Camps in Hovis Mode
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DeepPan
19:21:02
A Muller reacharound?!? :D
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Ian_
19:22:43
OMG don't give Mullerbiker the spotlight 😜
Mullerbiker
19:23:02
Ian I even got a cool thing :)
Mullerbiker
19:23:21
Welsh malt
DeepPan
19:23:45
Sorry Ewen, I failed! Wrong show ID in bottom right
Mullerbiker
19:24:24
And I have
WesFL
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Mullerbiker
19:24:55
EWEN LOST IT
Ian_
19:25:13
maccast: has done research?
Ian_
19:25:23
Wrong network
DeepPan
19:25:33
FBI said there’d be no show
Mullerbiker
19:25:40
He though you Doc you were Kelly
DeepPan
19:26:02
they’re trying to defuse it! :D
Mullerbiker
19:26:04
FBI want a back door into Ewen bottle
maccast
19:26:16
I figured since it was the Big Show I'd better be prepared.
Horse
19:27:01
So this is the Big Show right
Mullerbiker
19:27:13
Horse this is Mac
Mullerbiker
19:27:22
or FBI show
Horse
19:27:40
See I take my eye off the ball for one minurte
Mullerbiker
19:27:44
Makeup
Mullerbiker
19:28:37
Its started already
dchogfather
19:29:32
this may be better than the FBI STORY
richarddummer
19:30:03
don't make me pull the internet over
richarddummer
19:30:22
boys boys
MaJiKman
19:30:38
wow not even a 3…2…1…
dchogfather
19:30:59
oh great no bleeps
Ian_
19:31:34
Ewen: is rolling his sleeves up ready 😂
dchogfather
19:32:13
ig Apple give in to the FBI, they will lose the trust of a lot of iphone users
Horse
19:32:27
From the letter “We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.
Horse
19:32:28
Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.
Horse
19:32:28
The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control"
KenK
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trigger
19:33:20
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Mullerbiker
19:33:44
14 killed and 22 injured
MaJiKman
19:33:45
but the guy is dead, who’s on trial?
maccast
19:34:02
The police killed both the husband and wife
Horse
19:34:12
Possible accomplaces ????????
maccast
19:34:34
It's an investigation I believe, I don't think anyone is on trial
Mullerbiker
19:34:36
messages to each other. Farook and Malik had traveled to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia in the years before the attack. The couple had amassed a large stockpile of weapons, ammunition, and bomb-making equipment in their home.
trigger
19:34:46
2nd amendment is f'ing ridiculous
Horse
19:35:26
@ewen can you blame people given what the UK government want to do
Mullerbiker
19:35:31
messages to each other. Farook and Malik had traveled to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia in the years before the attack. The couple had amassed a large stockpile of weapons, ammunition, and bomb-making equipment in their home.
richarddummer
19:35:41
he worked for a government agency
Mullerbiker
19:35:57
Leave my links
DeepPan
19:35:59
no one is reading any of mullers posts! :D
KenK
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Ian_
19:36:46
They look like wiki but they are actually porn redirects
Horse
19:36:56
@Ewen We couldnt even decide how many died, which is a very important fact, so the facts as Apple see them is important.
Mullerbiker
19:37:25
14 Died the Fanboys were right
Ian_
19:38:18
They using this case to get what they ultimately want? A back door?
Horse
19:38:36
@ Mullerbiker 14 I know but, already the facts are getting lost, so @Ewen stating that Tim Cook was naughty is in my opinion incorrect as they are right to print it as they see it.
Horse
19:38:57
before the rumour mill starts
DeepPan
19:39:11
I’m trying to find the info, but I’m sure I saw something saying this iPhone is running an older iOS, and what the FBI is asking for on this phone wouldn’t actually be possible on the current iOS (where Apple made the changes so they couldn’t access the on-phone data)
dchogfather
19:39:49
If Apple lets them get full cotrol of the information on the iphone, they will expect it for future cases
Horse
19:40:14
@Ewen Qoute “They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.”
DeepPan
19:40:23
Phone & SMS will be obtainable from the phone company, so the data they’re after is beyond that
DeepPan
19:40:55
FBI is asking for the securty to be reduced on the phone, not switched off
MaJiKman
19:41:40
arghhhh lost signal
Mullerbiker
19:41:40
I think Malt Whiskey makers should sponsor the show
Horse
19:41:42
How happy are you that this software being in the hands of any government would stay in that one pair of hands.
DeepPan
19:41:54
If it’s on an older version of iOS, then it’s a 4 digit passcode
KenK
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Serenak
19:43:20
Patrice has a terrible loopback/echo
Ian_
19:43:40
My misses has iPhone 5c and it DOES delay after several attempts
DeepPan
19:43:41
Patrice’s audio echos when he’s on the group shot, not the single
Horse
19:44:10
To THE Iphone
DeepPan
19:44:49
The custom software, as I understand, would have to be unique to that one phone
Serenak
19:45:08
It has to use a custom Flash loaded firmware
Mullerbiker
19:45:13
In plain English, the FBI wants to ensure that it can make an unlimited number of PIN guesses, that it can make them as fast as the hardware will allow, and that they won’t have to pay an intern to hunch over the phone and type PIN codes one at a time for the next 20 years — they want to guess passcodes from an external device like a laptop or other peripheral.
Serenak
19:46:08
Correct Muller - they want to make it brute force attack vlunerlable
Horse
19:46:11
But the question is not about this iphone surely its about the security of this new firmware,
MaJiKman
19:46:24
only at this point, if Apple say they made it so secure you can’t get in then the logical step for the government is to install a backdoor.
Horse
19:46:43
@ewen Patrice echo awful
Serenak
19:46:53
that is indeed one of the biggest concerns
Ian_
19:47:18
Echo echo echo 😂
Ian_
19:47:31
1 Patrice is enough 😂
KenK
19:47:32
Its probably the physical access issue that worries people most because people think, probably with reason, that the modified firmware could be reverse enginneeered and then weaken securitgy for any phone.
Horse
19:47:52
@KenK spot on
Serenak
19:48:01
Exactly Doc
MaJiKman
19:48:29
Could Patrice phone i again as the echo is really bad
Serenak
19:48:30
even more than the fear of the “tool” escaping or getting reversed engineered
patrice
19:48:32
The order:
patrice
19:48:51
@MaJiKman I could. but I doubt that is th issue.
Horse
19:49:24
@patrice Links broken
smok
19:49:33
People like Bruce Schneier think the court oder was jointly written between FBI and Apple as they just want the fight in court to be about the rights and wrongs of this and not about the technical parts of this
patrice
19:49:56
@Horse THey still work for me
Horse
19:50:05
just code for me
Jamescaff
19:50:23
its hotting up
Serenak
19:50:25
but there is the “grey area” indeed
Serenak
19:50:44
Apple don’t have the information
DeepPan
19:51:00
The only way Apple could get away from this would be to open the security, and then re-invent their security on the next iOS/iPhone making any security bypass impossible.
DeepPan
19:51:28
Instant sales and shares spike for Apple :)
Serenak
19:52:47
but for most people locking up information for a a lifetime or more is as good as “never releasing it"
Serenak
19:54:01
That is true Ewen: but so far Apple have NOT defied the Judiciary
dchogfather
19:54:34
FBI have followed the law so theres no come back onto them
patrice
19:55:46
DeepPan: Nothing is 100% secure.
maccast
19:55:56
@mullerbiker There's no evidence I'm aware of that indicates there are more people to go after in this case
DeepPan
19:56:07
Patrice, it’s didn’t say it was
Mullerbiker
19:56:26
maccast how do you know the police dont give info away till court cases
KenK
19:56:59
No one has actually figured out how easy it would be to modify the software to follow the court order. It almost certainly isn’t a snap-your-fingers-it-works simple fix.
DeepPan
19:57:15
It’s understandable for Apple to push back, for commercial reasons. If it gets to the top court level with the same request, then Apple will have to comply
Horse
19:57:25
@Ewen It might be a different arguement but it could and might come out in a court battle.
patrice
19:57:34
KenK: Definitely not. but if it’s too hard, Apple can appeal
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KenK
19:59:12
Apple will appeal whether it’s easy or hard. The point here is though that people that argue this is time critical or Muellers arguement is a bit weak.
markop
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KenK
19:59:58
Apple isn’t violating legal judicial process here. They’re following the rules/mores.
patrice
20:00:14
KenK: Correct. but maybe for the wrong reasons
Serenak
20:00:32
and Apple’s concern is that once done for one for phone…
Ian_
20:00:41
The actual facts that campionuk read out for the order sounded perfectly reasonable
Horse
20:01:00
@ewen Yes they have a right to ask. Apple have the ask to refuse. They then follow correct legal procedures. I fail to see trhe issue.
Serenak
20:01:03
and no one has said Apple has done such a thing
smok
20:01:14
No corporation has said they will not follow the law
Serenak
20:01:19
they are following their due process to say no...
smok
20:01:28
Apple has said they will follow the law and appeal it
Serenak
20:01:34
if in the end they lose, they will no doubt do it
Serenak
20:01:42
with or without good grace
DeepPan
20:02:05
Would Apple be more likely to comply if the FBI gave indication of specific info they were after on the phone? Are Apple’s (and peoples) fears at the moment that they just want total access to the phone to go fishing around
Horse
20:02:10
@Serenak @smok You are right
KenK
20:02:16
Ewen, Apple hasn’t told the government to “get stuffed.” They’re appealing which is their right.
Serenak
20:02:50
Ewen can we fix Patrice’s echo?
DeepPan
20:02:57
It doesn’t matter if it’s a law. It shows that it’s technically possbile, so every other country will demand it
smok
20:03:33
On a much smaller case, I had a court order issued against me as part of my divorce. It was unreasonable, so I appealed it and it was modified. I cfought the order but complied with the law
Ian_
20:03:58
What the FBI are asking requires physical access. You have too be safe with your phone like you would your house keys.
Horse
20:04:41
Surely the point, forgetting the correct countries legal requirements. IS how safe do you beleive this reverse engineering will be, both physically and legaly.
dchogfather
20:04:53
So what are Apple not telling us then what the FBI want????
Serenak
20:04:59
echo echo
dchogfather
20:05:07
yep\
markop
20:05:09
Echo in group
DeepPan
20:05:11
Ewen, do you know which iOS those 70 phones were? I think that’s why Apple changed the security, because they got sick of the requests
Horse
20:05:33
@Ewen Surely the point, forgetting the correct countries legal requirements. IS how safe do you beleive this reverse engineering will be, both physically and legaly
MaJiKman
20:05:46
yes he really is
campionuk
20:05:57
thats the point dchogfather - the point in the legal writ isnt quite the same as the way that Tim Cook has decribed in his open letter..
KenK
20:06:09
The real longterm issue is do we, the users of these devices, have a right to have devices whose information is completely secure? You can put whole-disk encryption on your computer and in the US I can’t be compelled to give up my encryption password. That’s admittedly a different issue from what should Apple be doing right now.
dchogfather
20:07:46
Would Steve Jobs have waited ??????? or has Tim done just what Steve would have done?
Horse
20:09:48
@Ewen if that is correct then no issues. So the next time its an iPhone 6. Discuss
MaJiKman
20:09:55
thats not what it says in the warrant
patrice
20:10:43
@ewen: It’s not a room echo, it really sounds like my audio is getting through twice with a delay of a few milliseconds
dchogfather
20:10:53
People who have iphones love the security, if the information is obtained how would this effect the iphones reputation
Horse
20:11:01
@patrice Spot on with echo
MaJiKman
20:11:42
It says at a government facislitty alternatively at Apple. Who’s choice
Ian_
20:11:49
FBI Apple Care Plus
DeepPan
20:12:03
Maybe the FBI should have done it on the sly and booked an appointment at the genius bar :)
campionuk
20:12:17
there is time for that Ian_
Horse
20:12:27
@DeepPan LOL
Mullerbiker
20:12:27
Iphone 6 scan still be unlocked with a passcode!
campionuk
20:13:57
if only someone at apple could set the time and date of this iphone to 01/01/1970 eh ??
Ian_
20:14:08
Lol campionuk
MaJiKman
20:15:38
Thats what it says in the Warrant maccast
Serenak
20:16:05
All Writs
maccast
20:16:07
The All Writs Act is the name of the law
Mullerbiker
20:16:31
I think law needs to catch up with new technology
KenK
20:16:45
All Writs Act
maccast
20:17:04
@MajiMan, ys in THIS case that's true. I'm saying that Apple's concern is a broadening of orders in future cases.
Serenak
20:17:11
but do the Bank have to go buy them a drill?
maccast
20:17:13
@MajiKMan, ys in THIS case that's true. I'm saying that Apple's concern is a broadening of orders in future cases.
patrice
20:17:33
Serenak: Apple is getting paid to create the drill
patrice
20:17:39
or “compensated”
Serenak
20:17:48
that is true
Horse
20:18:17
@maccast Yes your right but I hate to say it they should fight the case in court then comment.
dchogfather
20:18:45
could this be the down fall of secure mobile phones?
KenK
20:19:00
But as an iindividual I do have the right now to secure under my control my own information. I can encrypt my computer and not be compelled to give up the password.
KenK
20:20:35
In that case the person mangeing Adam’s estate could grant access to the information assuming they have the keys.
smok
20:20:59
@ewen In USA you have the right not to disclose a password but you have to use a fingerprint to unlock it
smok
20:21:07
It counts as self incriminating
Horse
20:21:08
Yes but thats @KenK decision not yours, or apples.
smok
20:21:12
in UK it is different
KenK
20:21:45
I think you’re wrong on this Ewen. They can compell my fingerprint under the 5th admendment but not somehting I know which is hte password.
smok
20:21:46
Passwords count as speech
maccast
20:22:32
@Ewen, see link above
Mullerbiker
20:25:28
maccast I found US case law that proves you wrong :)
DocRock
20:26:18
Tell that to Delores Avery @Ewen
DocRock
20:26:43
Or Allen Avery for that matter
smok
20:27:21
customs agent could have been something outside USA
Mullerbiker
20:27:49
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_law. In this case, a man's laptop was inspected by customs agents and child pornography was discovered. The device was seized and powered-down, at which point
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_law. technology made the evidence unavailable. The judge held that it was a foregone conclusion that the content exists since it had already been seen by the customs
Mullerbiker
20:27:54
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Fricosu a district court judge ordered a Colorado woman to decrypt her laptop so prosecutors can use the files against her in a criminal case: "I conclude that the Fifth Amendment is not implicated by requiring production of the unencrypted contents of the Toshiba Satellite M305 laptop computer," Colorado U.S. District Judge Robert Blackburn ruled on January 23,
KenK
20:28:30
We have cases on both sides of this Muller. It’s not a settled issue. Some judges have gone one way; some the other. So Ewen is right and wrong.
Horse
20:28:43
@Ewen Yes but thats @KenK decision to not disclose and go to prision not yours, or apples.
Horse
20:29:47
Not yours, mine or apples
KenK
20:30:04
These are issues that’ll get to the Supreme Court eventually. And that’s going to be interesting especially since Scalia’s death.
richarddummer
20:30:56
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DeepPan
20:32:32
Tim wearing Gitmo orange overals!
Mullerbiker
20:33:07
even if many miles from the actual border, is considered the functional equivalent of a border.
https://www.eff.org/issues/know-your-rights#footnote11_o7m0hfc However, border officials in Alaska, Arizona, California, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Northern Mariana Islands, Oregon and Washington can only confiscate an electronic device and conduct a more thorough “forensic” examination of it if they have
DeepPan
20:34:17
Because we threw you lot all out! ;)
campionuk
20:34:33
ouch deeppan :)
Mullerbiker
20:34:53
You do not have to hand over your encryption keys or passwords to law enforcement.
Mullerbiker
20:34:54
The Fifth Amendment protects you from being forced to give the government self-incriminating testimony. Courts have generally accepted that telling the government a password or encryption key is “testimony.” A police officer cannot force or threaten you into giving up your password or unlocking your electronic devices. However, a judge or a grand jury may be able to force you to decrypt your devices in some
Mullerbiker
20:34:55
circumstances. Because this is a legally complicated issue, if you find yourself in a situation where the police, a judge or grand jury are demanding you turn over encryption keys or passwords, you should let EFF know right away and seek legal help.
DeepPan
20:34:58
Freedom of speech!! :D
Serenak
20:35:53
but until it gets to the Supreme Court and Apple lose no one has actually done what you are concerned about Ewen
smok
20:35:59
@ewen - I think both parties want it to go to the supreme court to achieve a ruling that is enforceble
Horse
20:36:06
@Ewen LET HIM FINISH
richarddummer
20:36:16
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richarddummer
20:37:03
the order was issued by a lower court
maccast
20:37:17
The decision IS open to review though
DeepPan
20:37:18
I think commercially, Apple has to resist as much as possible, appeal as much as possible. When it gets to the top level and still upheld, then they totally should follow to the letter and assist 100%
Mullerbiker
20:37:48
There is less protection against a search at a place of employment.
Mullerbiker
20:37:49
Generally, you have some Fourth Amendment protection in your office or workspace.
https://www.eff.org/issues/know-your-rights#footnote24_1l0ndu5 This means the police need a warrant to search your office and work computer unless one of the exceptions described above apply. But the extent of Fourth Amendment protection depends on the physical details of your work environment, as well as any employer
Mullerbiker
20:37:50
policies. For example, the police will have difficulty justifying a warrantless search of a private office with doors and a lock and a private computer that you have exclusive access to. On the other hand, if you share a computer with other co-workers, you will have a weaker expectation of privacy in that computer, and thus less Fourth Amendment
richarddummer
20:38:06
it is not a law it is an opinion
DeepPan
20:38:07
Will this be covered again on Big Show? :D
Horse
20:38:13
@ewen Im sorry but you must follow your own rules and LET people finish… Be fair
Serenak
20:38:15
I think the problem there may be to do with Patrice’s understanding ot the term “interpretation"
Serenak
20:38:37
and your legal mind’s “exact” reading of it
patrice
20:38:41
I didn’t even talk about interpretation.. I talked about intention!
Mullerbiker
20:38:54
patrice You been TOLD :)
richarddummer
20:39:03
its an opinion of a judge on a president not a law
Serenak
20:39:16
Ewen referred to “interpretation”
patrice
20:39:18
If a law was intended to be used for one thing, but you use it for another thing, is that still correct?
Serenak
20:39:30
if you didn’t say interpretation I apologise for mishearing
KenK
20:39:39
Muller, yes there certainly are limits on protection often deepending on where you work. It’s also why your boss can monitor your email legally but can’t monitor your phone calls. The law and technology have alwasys been a tricky fit.
Mullerbiker
20:39:48
richarddrummer judges in UK can make case law… but that is a complicated topic
KenK
20:39:59
What a wonderful sound that pour was; way to go Ewen
Ian_
20:40:09
Yes partrice because that's what the appeal is for
maccast
20:40:20
@patrice, even if you're talking intention it's the court that DID interpret the intention of this law (All Writs Act) and deemed that intention applied in this case and issued the order.
Serenak
20:40:24
Ewen’s point is valid - there is no “interpretation” of a Warrant. There is however a right to appeal to a higher court etc
DeepPan
20:40:38
Ewen, “timsaysno.com” is available on UK2 :D
patrice
20:40:52
maccast: I agree.
Serenak
20:40:54
as to whether or not it has to be enforced
maccast
20:40:57
So @Ewen's point is made. Now it's up to an appeals court to decide if the lower court was correct
Mullerbiker
20:41:08
campionuk now we can get a warrant to view your CCTV :)
patrice
20:41:17
@Serenak yes. but there is an intention in a law that is used for a warrant. and that was my only point
Ewen
20:41:31
I agreed with that Maccast I think
patrice
20:41:38
I do too
maccast
20:41:45
YEs, you did
DeepPan
20:41:56
Group hug! :D
Ian_
20:42:06
lol DeepPan
richarddummer
20:42:14
we have a three tier gov. judicial, legislative and executive. leg, make laws judicial interprets whether right or wrong.
Mullerbiker
20:42:18
d:) d:) d:) d:)
maccast
20:42:19
Excellent idea @DeepPan.
Serenak
20:42:50
I understand that - but Ewen and MacCast are correct that the intention and intention of the relevant legislation (in this casethe All Writs Act) has been dealt with by a lower court. A higher court may decide otherwise
DeepPan
20:42:52
Do these still work across two fused circuits?
Serenak
20:43:03
that is where Apple can go
markop
20:43:34
Rock solid they are Ewen
Mullerbiker
20:43:45
maccast FBI can get a court order to view you apple pay records
Horse
20:44:56
@ hardly horrifiic, its not working. Mo one died
KenK
20:45:05
Those little Square readers that can do Apple Pay work well - mostly.
campionuk
20:45:15
mullerbiker if anyone wants to review my CCTV and essentially see my arse as I take the shopping out of my car book then they are more then welcome....
maccast
20:45:37
Thanks for getting the link @DocRock
Horse
20:45:44
@Mullerbiker hope you dont mind I sent a DM
Mullerbiker
20:45:51
I get sky at night to view your moon
Mullerbiker
20:46:55
Horse no worries
dchogfather
20:47:17
love this doc
trigger
20:47:59
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dchogfather
20:48:30
$79 all gone
KenK
20:48:50
Glad I don’t have a need for that device, Doc. :)
Mullerbiker
20:49:50
Ewen can look for planet 9 with it
campionuk
20:50:21
thats very cool DocRock
paulums
20:50:54
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campionuk
20:51:02
Evening paulums
KenK
20:51:06
I still miss QTVR
Mullerbiker
20:51:10
photoing are arse
paulums
20:51:15
'ello CampionUK
campionuk
20:51:24
how goes it mate ?
paulums
20:51:50
CampionUK all good buddy. How you doing?
Mullerbiker
20:52:12
I use that and its free
campionuk
20:52:27
yeah really good paulums few days off at the min so very relaxed after a stressful prev few weeks..
paulums
20:53:32
CampionUK I've been off for half term too! Good time
paulums
20:53:54
Come on Mullerbiker
DeepPan
20:54:04
Child proof box? :)
campionuk
20:54:14
yeah ! we've been to the playhouse today and tomorrow heading to the National Space Centre.. very excited !
paulums
20:54:36
Mullerbiker had trouble getting into a box. Ladies are safe
DeepPan
20:54:37
click click click …… :D
campionuk
20:54:47
lol paulums
paulums
20:55:27
Once into the box mullerbiker is straight onto the knob
dchogfather
20:55:52
gtg thanks guys for a good show
Horse
20:55:57
the bag is so nobody knew he had bought it
SwampRat
20:56:00
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dchogfather
20:56:02
<< Leaves the chat room
Horse
20:56:30
@ against you shirt
DeepPan
20:57:01
Ask Muller to hold the phone up, the screen will show then
richarddummer
20:57:10
air play to an ATV
Horse
20:57:37
@iphone 7 rumour see through
Robert
20:57:56
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Mullerbiker
20:59:57
But I was right
DeepPan
21:01:07
…… until today! :D
Mullerbiker
21:01:28
Ewen needs a new esk
Mullerbiker
21:01:33
desk even
MaJiKman
21:01:52
well said maccast
campionuk
21:02:05
thank you MacCast !
KenK
21:02:10
If people think you hate each other they’re not listening carefully. If you hated each other the rancor would be heard in the voices.
markop
21:02:31
Nice said maccast
MaJiKman
21:02:34
Now wheres my tin hat
maccast
21:02:42
Thanks everyone. Always appreciate and respect everyone's opinions
DeepPan
21:02:53
Any opinions stated in this podcast …………
patrice
21:02:57
Thanks chat room. :)
KenK
21:04:10
Only perosn you could conceivably have slandered would be TIm Cook since you didn’t name anyone else really. But I suppose that depends on whose laws you are talking about. Well, guess not since its a UK show.
Mullerbiker
21:05:00
Doc I search you
MaJiKman
21:05:06
Great show, off to the pub for me quiz, catch you all on the re-run
DocRock
21:05:07
Thanks Ewen
DocRock
21:05:15
Mullerbiker please
DocRock
21:06:57
It suks yeah
Mullerbiker
21:07:09
Paulums :)
campionuk
21:07:15
Ewen same line ?
paulums
21:07:26
Mullerbiker lovely to see your lovely face
Mullerbiker
21:07:39
paulums I starred on mac show mate
MaJiKman
21:07:40
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paulums
21:07:55
mullerbiker I saw - you star!
CharlotteHenry
21:08:07
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DocRock
21:08:10
Ewen I heard that. hahahahaha I'm ordering Dead Buffalo from Amazon Prime now
Mullerbiker
21:08:19
paulums I give my autograph
Mullerbiker
21:09:09
I can here Darth Vader
BigChrisAshley
21:09:10
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smok
21:09:38
<< Leaves the chat room
Mullerbiker
21:09:41
CharlotteHenry standby line 5 soon
CharlotteHenry
21:09:46
Good evening
KenK
21:10:05
bye all, gonna enjoy the rare sunshine outside (and it’s unusually warm here too).
CharlotteHenry
21:10:20
I'M HERE
CharlotteHenry
21:10:28
Also
paulums
21:10:31
CharlotteHenry 'ello
CharlotteHenry
21:10:31
misogynist
KenK
21:11:01
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Serenak
21:11:03
call in on line 5 apparently CharlotteHenry
GBRedneck
21:11:30
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CharlotteHenry
21:11:47
@Ewen Line5 is offline
CharlotteHenry
21:11:51
Ewen
Serenak
21:12:03
sorry my bad, think that was Campion
CharlotteHenry
21:12:04
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Robert
21:12:12
<< Leaves the chat room
Mullerbiker
21:12:14
CharlotteHenry line 2
CharlotteHenry
21:12:56
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Serenak
21:13:13
Line 2 Charlotte, sorry my bad
DocRock
21:13:34
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Horse
21:13:57
Its official @ewens head is empty
patrice
21:14:17
@horse: Well we always knew that :P
CharlotteHenry
21:14:39
Ewewn there were never any chances with me ;-)
Horse
21:15:00
@CharlotteHenry a lady with taste
CharlotteHenry
21:15:26
100% Ewen has muted me
markop
21:15:45
I can see you Charlotte!
Mullerbiker
21:16:07
Cough
Robert
21:16:17
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CharlotteHenry
21:17:11
It's getting past my bedtime
richarddummer
21:19:49
are you making an audio call
Mullerbiker
21:20:08
campionUk computer says no
Horse
21:20:53
So thats now better is it?
db
21:20:54
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DeepPan
21:21:25
So, Apple Vs FBI ….. :D
Horse
21:21:44
@DeepPan DONT YOU DARE
Mullerbiker
21:21:47
You wanted Law
Horse
21:21:58
NO we wanted LAw & Order
Mullerbiker
21:22:12
and you got disorder :)
Mullerbiker
21:22:23
I warn myself sec 5 POA
Horse
21:22:40
@ disorder is that youth order
Mullerbiker
21:22:48
Mind I have to give Ewen a sec 4 with the desk bang
Mullerbiker
21:24:50
No JeffG music?
patrice
21:25:09
@muller As long as it’s not Star Trek Nemesis, we’re good :P
Horse
21:25:16
You warned me and still I klicked a @Mullerbiker link Good greif
maccast
21:26:14
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Mullerbiker
21:26:17
Horse That was patrice school year book picture
Horse
21:26:49
@Mullerbiker think I would want a refund
patrice
21:26:56
@muller: It was not… you can’t take a picture of a vampire :P
Mullerbiker
21:27:11
I managed it
Ian_
21:27:21
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GBRedneck
21:28:39
>> Joins the chat room
Mullerbiker
21:28:51
Cue Horvis music
Horse
21:29:59
Doo do dooooo doo doo doooooo doo d doo dooooo do doooooo
Mullerbiker
21:30:34
Sound was Ewen having a pee
Horse
21:30:40
Can of West what, salmon, kippers macrel?
Horse
21:31:31
@Mullerbiker didnt haer the sound of the hand washing…… yuckkkk
Mullerbiker
21:32:39
ohh my £13 Mpow swift Bluetooth headphones dispatched :)
markop
21:32:45
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Mullerbiker
21:32:49
and prime free
Horse
21:33:04
I often wonder if anyone adds up all the subscriptions they pay for in a month?
Horse
21:34:05
@paulums Same echo as Patrice had
patrice
21:34:24
then it was indeed the line and not me
Mullerbiker
21:34:29
Daly?
richarddummer
21:34:42
Amazon Prime music here and very happy with it also works great with echo
Horse
21:34:58
@patrice always blamed @Ewen anyway
Mullerbiker
21:35:11
BigChrisAshley being sensible…
patrice
21:35:12
Horse: He blamed me ;)
Horse
21:35:28
@patrice No surely not
Mullerbiker
21:35:31
patrice dont start.
Horse
21:35:40
did he bang the desk
Mullerbiker
21:36:01
Horse YES YES and FUCK ME YES
CharlotteHenry
21:36:50
?!
CharlotteHenry
21:37:07
i am preparing to say something sensible about spotify
Mullerbiker
21:37:08
Wasnt campionuk they still need battery tech in Hovis country
Mullerbiker
21:37:37
CharlotteHenry You do know you need shout up…
Mullerbiker
21:37:40
Its a pub
CharlotteHenry
21:37:45
;-)
campionuk
21:38:11
mullerbiker we have pedal power up here mate !!!
CharlotteHenry
21:38:21
mine's a g&t then
SwampRat
21:38:26
I've never used any of the music streaming services. Got enough to listen to with my ripped CDs and LPs, and the tons of old time radio shows downloaded from rusc.com.
Mullerbiker
21:38:28
CharlotteHenry Go on jump in
Mullerbiker
21:38:48
I think Ewen need a producer :)
Horse
21:42:24
@CharlotteHenry is that because the modern generation think its easy to make this content as they have the tools free now.
DeepPan
21:42:33
The music model has changed now, where the live shows are the main income (that the artist owns, not the label) and the record just promotes the tour. Where about 15-20 years ago, the tour made a loss but it was done to promote the record. Also, live show and the live experience are tougher to pirate to a high quality
Jamescaff
21:42:51
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Mullerbiker
21:45:15
Does anyone else thing paulums looks like a
Horse
21:45:27
On my point i really beleive the young now think its easy to make music, videos etc. Britain Gots TAlent, Garageband, IMovie, Iphot all reinforce the belief
Horse
21:46:45
@Ewen not free but they have lost the understanding of value
Mullerbiker
21:46:54
So by Ewens agrgument Wife closes legs he can take it from else where :)
Horse
21:47:14
@Mullerbiker no more drink
Mullerbiker
21:47:23
Horse :)
Mullerbiker
21:47:44
Horse you dont need the @
Horse
21:48:31
Mullerbiker: I dont neeed various parts of my body but im not giving them up
Jamescaff
21:48:56
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SwampRat
21:49:04
What's the echo?
Jamescaff
21:49:23
Patrice was on the same line n the mac show
Horse
21:49:28
Patrice had it on the last show.. blame Ewen
Mullerbiker
21:49:36
SwampRat SwampRat ?
Mullerbiker
21:49:59
Horse You can’t hear it here…
Mullerbiker
21:50:09
so it not patrices fault
patrice
21:50:19
yeah.. it’s only happening on the stream
richarddummer
21:50:33
I just had a flash back to the 70s
SwampRat
21:50:39
it's only paulums
Mullerbiker
21:50:43
patrice I defended you this wont happen again ;)
DeepPan
21:51:10
Must just be the line that Patrice and Paul were on
patrice
21:51:12
Mullerbiker: I know.. I’m still in shock :P
paulums
21:51:14
SwampRat what is only me?
Horse
21:51:16
Ewen: hang on the inability to have patience and wait gives credance to downloading?
SwampRat
21:51:26
paulums: The echo
paulums
21:51:47
SWamprat: OK
Mullerbiker
21:52:18
Credence clear water didnt do Horse with no name
Serenak
21:52:21
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paulums
21:52:23
Ewen: Apparently I'm echoing. You getting that?
Mullerbiker
21:53:10
After two days in the desert sun
Mullerbiker
21:53:10
My skin began to turn red
Mullerbiker
21:53:12
After three days in the desert fun
Mullerbiker
21:53:13
I was looking at a river bed
Mullerbiker
21:53:14
And the story it told of a river that flowed
Mullerbiker
21:53:15
Made me sad to think it was dead
Robert
21:53:16
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Horse
21:53:24
Ewen: so my inability to buy an Apple pencil on release day sanctions me staeling one
Horse
21:53:34
I have the money
DeepPan
21:53:37
Copy protection doesn’t stop piracy, ease of access to paid content does
Horse
21:53:46
Apple pencil just an example
Mullerbiker
21:53:51
Horse I was in apple store and they were on the shelf!
Horse
21:54:03
sorry bad analogy
Robert
21:54:21
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Horse
21:54:31
for pencil read Mac Pro for example
Mullerbiker
21:54:55
patrice I read about these and they are crap
GBRedneck
21:55:20
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Mullerbiker
21:55:35
campionuk ….. patrice we can hack into camps and watch him moon
Horse
21:56:14
Me to Ewen
DeepPan
21:56:21
Different action depending if you’re recognised?
Mullerbiker
21:56:23
It felt good to be out of the rain
Mullerbiker
21:56:24
In the desert you can remember your name
Mullerbiker
21:56:45
Ewen read articles on this and they dont work
Horse
21:57:05
Mullerbiker: forget the warning about the drink… Too late
Robert
21:57:13
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Horse
21:57:56
Ewen: you dont need a camera for that. discipline is free
Mullerbiker
21:58:24
Horse they band the whip in the grand national :)
Horse
21:58:43
that was the grand national
Horse
21:59:13
Ewen: NO no no the minute you find that that item has a security flaw you will drop it like a hot potatoe
patrice
21:59:27
Mullerbiker: Not clicking on any of your links :P
Mullerbiker
21:59:38
Click… its safe
Mullerbiker
21:59:47
CNET
richarddummer
22:00:05
Being visually impaired i wish facial recognition was better and more portable, I now have terrible facial recognition
Horse
22:00:10
campionuk: loads of the internet baby cameras were unsafe
Mullerbiker
22:00:30
I producing this show in the back ground I proved that camera is shite
paulums
22:00:50
Mullerbiker I am automatically prpgrammed not to click on your links (survival instinct)
Mullerbiker
22:01:07
paulums agin that fecking CNET
paulums
22:01:23
mullerbiler LOL
Mullerbiker
22:01:46
My links are safe (ish)
Mullerbiker
22:02:03
woke up sunday morning to firebrigade
patrice
22:02:12
Safe for when you’r at home, it’s after 10pm and your kids are in bed ;)
richarddummer
22:02:56
nanny cams???
Mullerbiker
22:03:01
Camera on kids I think that could be lawfully iffy… child porn?
Horse
22:03:15
I would love a camera on my goldfish…. Do I need one NO.. On my children NEVER
DeepPan
22:03:18
What have a camera on the children when you can fit them with a tracking collar? :D
Horse
22:03:36
DeepPan: chip them
Mullerbiker
22:03:43
DeepPan you can put trackers in phones
DeepPan
22:03:44
even better
patrice
22:03:53
Yes. Why are so many people putting sticky notes on their notebook’s integrated webcams? Because they were used for iffy stuff
DeepPan
22:04:01
chip them
Mullerbiker
22:04:41
But baby monitors have been hacked… there been BBC shows about it
Horse
22:04:58
Mullerbiker: see the link above
Mullerbiker
22:05:21
Horse Exactluy
Horse
22:05:40
Ewen: we all raed the books with the first one then threw them out on the second.
Mullerbiker
22:06:11
IP cameras can be hacked
Horse
22:06:25
Mullerbiker: not can have
Robert
22:06:32
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Horse
22:06:51
and boil it dry and burn the house down
Mullerbiker
22:07:30
Fuck sake a kettle boils in 30 seconds
Mullerbiker
22:08:12
Goblin…… that woke you up 30 mins before you needed to get up
patrice
22:08:16
My coffee maker needs at least 15min until it’s ready for the first shot
DeepPan
22:08:27
Yes, I would like a boiling kettle next to my bed please :D
Robert
22:09:20
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Mullerbiker
22:09:21
Yorkshire never heard about HTC milk
DeepPan
22:09:28
Move along, nothing to see here!
richarddummer
22:09:30
patrice my machine takes about 5 minutes to warm up and self rinse
Horse
22:09:30
CharlotteHenry: No dont please
campionuk
22:09:57
We have our own cows up here Mullerbiker we just lean over the wall and give it a tug..
Horse
22:10:24
campionuk: and hope the bull didnt change places
campionuk
22:10:36
absolutely h
campionuk
22:10:43
absolutely @horse..
Mullerbiker
22:10:56
THere no issue…. still needs a law in UK and then then the lords and the Courts can still Feck it off
Horse
22:11:50
No as any back door is hackable. Forget the legal side
Mullerbiker
22:12:09
Moral issue is protection of life?
Mullerbiker
22:13:00
Ewen I agree but Im happy moral issue to protect life and limb….
Horse
22:13:18
Tell you what how about a master key for every lock in the world. That will be safe. Forget the legal side leave it alone… Waht about the hackability of the backdoor.
DeepPan
22:13:30
So, how would you assure that only law enforcement establishments have access to that “back door”?
Mullerbiker
22:14:09
CharlotteHenry But if it can only be done if there is phyical access
Mullerbiker
22:14:24
So not Via internet
richarddummer
22:14:32
in the US it is an issue of trust and we don't trust out gov.
CharlotteHenry
22:14:35
Yes Patrice!
Horse
22:14:46
patrice: Yes
Mullerbiker
22:16:23
I go back to my argument about the cost of forsensic access to phones and two the proportional argument
richarddummer
22:17:02
McCarty, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, George Bush..........
Horse
22:17:06
Sorry to repeat. Drop the legal talk the tech. All backdoors automatically introduce hackability
CharlotteHenry
22:17:15
Horse is right
Mullerbiker
22:18:05
SKY programe show US Police London officers taking down a mentally ill guy and he had a machette and he was arrested no hard they were commented hewould have beeb shot and critical it took 20 officers with sheilds
Horse
22:18:28
Fine I have nothing to hide.
campionuk
22:19:03
Great point @horse
richarddummer
22:19:11
no
Jamescaff
22:19:38
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richarddummer
22:19:53
I wouldn't give it to my friend either
Mullerbiker
22:20:06
Its not lawful for officer of street to demand access to you phone they can request needs court order. you can cooperate but not Police practisec is not to request…
Horse
22:21:51
No you didnt
Horse
22:22:27
Exactly like Blackberry did. until they didnt.
DeepPan
22:22:57
I think you’re focused on the legal aspect and missing the technical implications
Horse
22:23:08
Come on I like the iphone because even Apple struggle to do it.
Horse
22:23:19
DeepPan: Dead right
CharlotteHenry
22:23:25
The issues are totally, totally different
DeepPan
22:23:39
This is the legal aspect, nothing to do with the question
richarddummer
22:23:53
It is and attempt to set a precedent
richarddummer
22:24:01
with the writ
gwydionjhr
22:24:16
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Horse
22:24:20
that was ewen
Horse
22:24:36
the drunk bloke that is
DeepPan
22:25:58
OK, if you fitted new security doors at home, and part of the condition was that local emergency services had do have a copy of your keys, what would make sure that ONLY the emergency services could access those keys, in an emergency or legal issue?
patrice
22:26:47
DeepPan: Didn’t we have the same thing with the TSA and those locks on our luggage?
Horse
22:26:58
CharlotteHenry: Thank you at last
Mullerbiker
22:27:00
Im only talking UK…
campionuk
22:27:23
Thats an excellent point @patrice
DeepPan
22:27:27
move this away from Apple please
Mullerbiker
22:27:34
FBI have not been asked to make a back door on all phones!
CharlotteHenry
22:27:49
An backdoor for one would be a backdoor for all
richarddummer
22:27:52
in the US they have the right to your finger print not you numerical passcode with warrent
DeepPan
22:28:21
that was also the beginning of the end of Blackberry
DeepPan
22:28:58
The Apple article and the Backdoor article are two very separate things
richarddummer
22:29:10
from what I understand they would use a unique UID for the phone that could be changed for any other phone
gwydionjhr
22:29:14
The San Bernadino folks smashed both of their personal phones, I think the FBI on a snipe hunt anyway, I highly doubt there is anything of any consequence on that iPhone.
Mullerbiker
22:30:19
BigChrisAshley 5th Manedement can be overturned by Court or Grand Jury
richarddummer
22:30:20
he worked for the local gov. they owned the phone and did not have MDM software in place
Mullerbiker
22:31:11
And BigChrisAshley $th amendment only provides protection in your home and then it not sacrosanct
patrice
22:31:14
Mullerbiker: It can? Didn’t even know that.
DeepPan
22:31:24
the apple story has nothing to do with this or backdoors
DeepPan
22:31:43
the question was regarding backdoors, if I remember rightly
Mullerbiker
22:31:45
patrice click my links… I did post the casE law
Horse
22:32:16
For goodness sake forget the legal, its not the issue…. deal with the tech………..
richarddummer
22:32:24
the local gov is the responsible party who did not secure their tech property
Mullerbiker
22:33:00
patrice my link to sec 4th amendment s even more eye opening
Mullerbiker
22:34:16
campionuk I was in police helicopter 6 years ago and we were targeted ( I was ride along ) and we got the offender arrested
gwydionjhr
22:34:58
lasers are a pretty narrow spectrum, you would think they could be a filter on the glass that would block them.
Horse
22:36:25
Ewen: Fuel dump. No way they knew
Horse
22:36:33
sorry they did know
Mullerbiker
22:36:58
Been involved in a few of these when I was in Force Contact of WMP
Horse
22:37:22
Dont know where a plane is in the sky “ theres an app for that” thats not a joke
richarddummer
22:38:10
don't need an app just ask siri
Mullerbiker
22:39:32
We were at 600 ft
richarddummer
22:39:52
depends on the laser
Mullerbiker
22:40:06
Laser light is focused and would be bright for miles
Horse
22:40:16
“The 1 mW red pointer has a glare distance of 255 feet, compared to the same power green laser, which can cause glare at 490 feet."
Mullerbiker
22:41:19
Do they know how expensive how much aviation glass is
Horse
22:41:59
1 millwatt 1/1000
Horse
22:43:03
250mW Green Glare Hazard 7,500 feet
Horse
22:43:22
ewan:milliwatt
Horse
22:43:35
somebody correct him it matters
DeepPan
22:44:24
How often has anyone seen a laser pointer actually used in a presentation? :D
patrice
22:44:40
DeepPan: Quite often actually :)
Horse
22:44:41
Mega 1,000,000 Watts ………… Milli 1/1000 (0.001) watts
Mullerbiker
22:44:52
campionuk I with you to an exstent I been involved in loads of arrests for this…..
Mullerbiker
22:45:34
Office pointer was what they were for
DeepPan
22:45:45
use them to take out people on “hoverboards”
richarddummer
22:46:22
how far do lasers go during Rock shows
patrice
22:48:28
richarddummer: Don’t know but I think they’re class 3
campionuk
22:48:37
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campionuk
22:48:48
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campionuk
22:48:56
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campionuk
22:49:09
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Mullerbiker
22:49:23
50 mile range I found for green lasers campionuk
Horse
22:49:31
Green one would be 1097 feet and 10500 respectively
campionuk
22:49:38
wow @mullerbiker
gwydionjhr
22:50:37
Ewan: Powerpoint and Office Remote for iPhone
Mullerbiker
22:52:09
campionuk having been flashed fro rear cabin I can imagine what the pilot feels…. I also use tech to track em from ground… shits should realise kit is out there and cheap
Mullerbiker
22:52:41
I might but but a windows 10 device once they get it right
campionuk
22:53:10
I've been thinking about buying one of the cheap Linx tablexs just to try Windows 10
Mullerbiker
22:53:16
CharlotteHenry he charmed me out of it :)
CharlotteHenry
22:53:31
lol
Mullerbiker
22:53:50
CharlotteHenry Love Ellis
Ewen
22:54:08
Ellis love @CharlotteHenry
CharlotteHenry
22:54:08
my bestie muellerbiker
Mullerbiker
22:54:09
Dont tell him I love to pull his leg
Horse
22:54:11
Mullerbiker: you have been flashed from the rear cabin… I want to fly that airline
DeepPan
22:54:20
part of the problem is that Microsofts own apps look better on iOS and Android than on Windows phone
Mullerbiker
22:54:56
Horse it was a EuroCopter
Horse
22:55:35
oh no good Mullerbiker it wont go 1\ mile up I expect
richarddummer
22:56:04
Infocus Kangaroo 99.00 US
gwydionjhr
22:56:43
Plus has Double the Ram and double the storage, but you have to put the OS on it.
Mullerbiker
22:56:51
Horse the EuroCopter is a milatary garde police helicopter has bullet proof base
DeepPan
22:57:09
Wasn’t that the same with the Amazon Fire Tablet 6pack?
patrice
22:57:21
DeepPan: Yes
Horse
22:57:47
Im going to get all normal here, would anyone buy a iPhone 5c for a ludite user
richarddummer
22:57:47
I'm waiting to see if Microsoft will have the plus in the store
Mullerbiker
22:57:55
I used it my phone wa upstairs and I was on my ipad :0
gwydionjhr
22:58:05
Continuum isn't handing off, it's ONE device for EVERYTHING.
Horse
22:58:43
Ewen: handoff wasnt what I thought it was going to be anyway… Mr Gamet promissed so much more ;)
richarddummer
22:59:44
no the equivalent is using an iPhone with ATV and keyboard, a lot of visually impaired vets do this
DeepPan
22:59:48
I could see a lot of mobile workers being given a Windows phone as their primary device, and connect to a dock at hotdesks
Robert
23:01:12
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Mullerbiker
23:01:19
BigChrisAshley the above would short you
campionuk
23:01:43
I agree Deeppan, if I could work on a mobile during my commue and then pug in when I hit my desk and have absolute seamless transition it would benefit my workflow..
paulums
23:01:58
BAAAAAAAMMMMMM
Mullerbiker
23:02:27
Ewen Do do them
campionuk
23:02:36
I jump between platforms which works ok.. it's not great but it's ok for email..
Mullerbiker
23:02:54
Sorry.. Ewen your still in control of you car… !
gwydionjhr
23:03:17
What's the IRC code to change my name.
Mullerbiker
23:03:27
paulums BBBBBAaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmm Bam bam
campionuk
23:03:41
blimey.. 2 long shows tonight ! Great stories !
patrice
23:03:53
gwydionjhr: /nick
Mullerbiker
23:04:09
patrice is talking Wels
Joel
23:04:12
Thanks @Patrice
Mullerbiker
23:04:15
Welsh
campionuk
23:04:40
welcome Joel ! formally know as "name we can't pronounce or understand"
DeepPan
23:04:46
Ewen, tell the story of the mugger and the Samsung again :)
Robert
23:05:13
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Mullerbiker
23:05:25
Bought wife Nokia 105 she over the moon
Joel
23:05:59
Ewen: My MiL was the first thing I thought of for someone that could use WP Continuum right now.
Mullerbiker
23:06:02
Did offer the 930 the look she gave me would curdle milk
Joel
23:06:52
And her iPad can't be her phone too.
Mullerbiker
23:07:12
\You lot Were into our second bottle of malt…. three is you count the dregs in the one bottl :)
campionuk
23:07:38
I've run out out of beer up here in the spare room :(
Mullerbiker
23:07:44
and my spulling is giving me away
CharlotteHenry
23:07:56
i'm sleeeeepy
campionuk
23:08:16
you need a beer then CharlotteHenry
Mullerbiker
23:08:20
CharlotteHenry drinking to much ?
CharlotteHenry
23:08:30
not drinkng. knackered!
Mullerbiker
23:09:04
CharlorreHenry do you know what knacked means up N orth?
patrice
23:09:15
CharlotteHenry: Same here…
campionuk
23:09:24
it means battered/beat up Mullerbiker
CharlotteHenry
23:09:34
Ewen is a phone tart
Mullerbiker
23:09:46
Nope……he means ….. sexually trired
Mullerbiker
23:10:09
Im being politacally correct here
Mullerbiker
23:11:11
I want the non sence show cause its so bad it crap
DeepPan
23:12:17
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Mullerbiker
23:14:39
And we can bang the desk
Mullerbiker
23:15:56
I thought Dollar costs ?
Mullerbiker
23:18:03
You can can probe your meat]
Joel
23:18:27
Careful Ewen, this is serious business for BCA
paulums
23:18:27
mullerbiker I'm thinkin what you're thinking
Horse
23:18:40
wireless probing
Mullerbiker
23:19:18
paulums I biting my hand hewre
paulums
23:19:39
mullerbiker what do you do with your second probe?
Horse
23:19:51
You swines Im on a sodding diet here
patrice
23:20:07
On a horse meat diet? :P
paulums
23:20:11
Horse - Cheeseburger with the works
Horse
23:20:28
Low carb crap
Mullerbiker
23:20:35
paulums where my second probe goes is between me and the probe
Horse
23:20:58
patrice: paulums I hate you two
paulums
23:21:20
Mullerbiker - I injected my brisket is how I charm the wife
paulums
23:21:35
INJECT THAT BEEF!!!
SwampRat
23:21:36
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richarddummer
23:21:45
BigChrisAshley West Kentucky pulled pork here
patrice
23:21:57
Damn.. now I want pulled pork.
Horse
23:22:02
Put him on mute Im dying here
campionuk
23:22:09
I'm now starving !!!!!
patrice
23:22:20
Still dreaming of the pork I got in San Diego.
Mullerbiker
23:22:37
paulums I been to pig farm around there :)
Horse
23:22:47
Sticky keys for all th eright reason
Horse
23:23:17
lets all chip in and fly him across for the bash
paulums
23:24:25
I want meat in mouth!
Horse
23:24:45
paulums: Whoa there
campionuk
23:24:47
wow paulums.. you realise this is on the internet ????
Mullerbiker
23:25:13
I did twice today :)
richarddummer
23:25:18
hickory smoked 13 to 18 hrs so good
Horse
23:25:20
Prime prime prime prime
paulums
23:25:44
Double baste me and waste me!
Mullerbiker
23:27:21
patrice can you buy the lot on itunes?
patrice
23:28:22
Yes @Mullerbiker
Mullerbiker
23:28:26
patrice come on you get a get out of jail card :0
BigChrisAshley
23:29:25
My recent Brisket
Joel
23:29:36
Pocketcasts is great 'cause it's cross platform, including SYNC of last played position
patrice
23:30:35
ACTION drools
Mullerbiker
23:30:35
BigChrisAshley Come to the bash cooka brisket and get some love
Mullerbiker
23:30:55
REwen gone the bog
Mullerbiker
23:33:44
anyone esle think paulums is a cyberman
Joel
23:34:11
Play it on your PC, and then pick up your Android phone and you continue where you left off.
Joel
23:35:22
Ewen: pocketcasts is CROSS platform, and the best part of it is that it SYNCS your last played postition BETWEEN your devices, regardless of the platform.
CharlotteHenry
23:35:48
yup i don't use that facility, but that feature is great
CharlotteHenry
23:36:01
The reason I began loving it was the interface
Mullerbiker
23:36:35
campionsuk going back nto 19450’s
paulums
23:37:16
She gets 22 inches
Horse
23:37:32
Ewen: The front page of YikYak site says in big letters.. “FIND YOUR HERD” says it all
Horse
23:38:05
Its a Norwich thing
campionuk
23:41:17
If anyone (UK only I'm afraid) wants a free code to either Lume or Super Sharp on iOS then drop me a DM via Twitter or Slackroom and I'll send it through.. I have a couple of codes for each game..
Horse
23:44:02
campionuk: just did slackroom DM Cheers
richarddummer
23:44:12
I've lost audio and video great shows tonight all have a great night
Horse
23:44:28
cheers richarddummer
patrice
23:44:34
THanks richard :)
campionuk
23:44:42
np Horse, I'll send tonight..
richarddummer
23:45:09
cheer all
Horse
23:45:38
Norfolk full of majestic wildbeast roaming across the plains
Horse
23:45:49
wilderbeast
WesFL
23:47:58
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campionuk
23:50:06
Great shows tonight folks ! thank you !!
CharlotteHenry
23:50:12
:)
paulums
23:50:24
night campionuk have a fab day tomorrow
campionuk
23:50:38
will do @paulums thanks mate !
patrice
23:51:40
Thanks chat room! You guys were brilliant!
Horse
23:51:45
Loads of time to baste and probe some meat
CharlotteHenry
23:51:46
just guys
CharlotteHenry
23:51:57
*cheers
Horse
23:52:06
by CharlotteHenry thank yu
CharlotteHenry
23:52:17
hope you enjoyed watchin/listening - we enjoy doing it
Horse
23:52:45
Glad you were there to control them.
CharlotteHenry
23:52:55
it's been needed from the sounds of things!
Joel
23:58:33
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CharlotteHenry
23:58:39
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Horse
23:59:03
You are evil
Horse
23:59:20
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Mullerbiker
23:59:30
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Ewen
23:59:35
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paulums
23:59:37
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campionuk
23:59:44
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